I honestly have such a soft spot for concerned, shippy vibe “You look like hell” type phrases. It can be such an awkward and understated way of expressing caring for another person.
(melts)
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another problematic Favor/Rowdy moment
In the Season 7 ep “Josh”, F needs to send a man to find some info somewhere (this is the subplot. The main plot is interesting and moving). R is the obvious candidate, except that he has been having a few beers with the boys and is drunk as a skunk. F takes him to the bathouse, sticks him into a tub, and proceeds to pour alternate buckets of scalding and cold water over him. R in the tub is quite appealing, F’s behaviour strikes me as patronising verging on sadistic.
p.s. Someone I used to know wrote an equally problematic story based on this scene (F follows through by pushing R to have sex).
The Magnificent Seven (2016) – sentence starters
1. “So far, so good.”
2. “I’ve been offered a lot for my work, but never everything.”
3. “Wow, ____. Is that you? You look like shit.”
4. “I seek righteousness, as should we all… but I’ll take revenge.”
5. “I didn’t want to kill him. He shouldn’t have touched my guns.”
6. “That’s a stallion, his name is ___, and he’s killed men, so I’d be careful.”
7. “I thought that was a dream, I thought you were a leprechaun. That was real?”
8. “You want out, you’re free to leave. Just leave the horse, because I paid for it.”
9. “He was already dead, if that’s what you’re wondering.”
10. “Man carries a gun, he tends to use it.”
11. “Wipe that smile off your face.”
12. “That is funny.”
13. “Wherever I go, ____ goes.”
14. “Hey, maybe my grandfather killed your grandfather, huh?”
15. “I’ve got a right, by the lord and by the law, to take back what belongs to me. Are we in agreement?”
16. “I believe that bear was wearing people clothes.”
17. “Don’t call the alligator ‘big mouth’ until you cross the river.”
18. “Statistically speaking, they should have hit something.”
19. “Hey. Come on out of there.”
20. “Knives. There’s nothing to it.”
21. “If I pull that trigger in violence again, I will die a ghastly death.”
22. “I had a wife/husband once. Had a family. Had some children too. One time.”
23. “You quit staring. I didn’t ask her/him to do that.”
24. “I believe that every man has the right to choose where he dies, if he can.”
25. “What we lost in the fire, we’ll find in the ashes.”
26. “I have nowhere else to go, so I’m in.”
27. “Wait. Hell, you speak English?”
28. “I’ll take his/her place.”
29. “Keep shooting!”
30. “They’ve got the devil’s breath! They’ve got a god-damned Gatling gun!”
31. “We gotta get these kids out of here.”
32. “I’ve always wanted to blow something up.”
33. “Whoo! God dang it, I’m good.”
34. “Your shooting is good. Do it again.”
35. “Six pounds of pressure, that’s all that’s required to kill a man. And they say the nightmares never go away.”
36. “You might want to wear some pants if you’re fixing to fight.”
last sentence meme
Tagged by @elfbert (thanks)
Rules: write the last sentence you wrote (fiction, non-fiction, anything at all). Then tag as many people as there are words in the sentence.
“HELP WANTED. Experienced drivers and shotgun riders.”
Tagging: @cudvac, @timberwolfoz, @clinteastwood-blog, @shadowvalkyrie,@anintelligentoctopus, and I think anyone else who may want to answer has already been tagged.
Rawhide, season 8.
Some fans refuse to watch it because Favor (and Pete, and Jesus, and Joe Scarlet) are not in it. I quite like it, because I find Rowdy a much more relaxed, negotiation-oriented trail boss. He actually asks for the men’s opinions, does not threaten to “break their backs” and does not use sarcasm as a workplace relations tool.
It ain’t perfect – I believe there’s not much point in having a black drover and a British drover if cultural differences don’t become part of at least one plot – but it’s not bad. A couple of eps are excellent, “The Pursuit” has a fantastic villain and “Brush War at Buford” and “Six Weeks to Bent Fork” have good plots.
And, ahem, I ship Rowdy/Jed Colby.
@stephantom replied to your post:
omg Rowdy as “manic pixie dream girl”–I hadn’t thought of it in those terms but that is a very interesting and good way to put it
The trope fits weirdly well because the job of the manic pixie is to sweep the grim, grey leader// important man and show him what fun spontaneity and doing things right is while also taking his shit a lot of the time and just dealing with his emotional neuroses.
I feel like the emotional labour probably manifests differently in an older time period m/m dynamic but I feel like the fantasy is still kinda there…that sense of loyalty Rowdy has that you describe even though Favor treats him like shit and then Rowdy is happy with the emotional scraps Favor gives him because he’s ~tough~ and ~was hurt~ (either by tough trail boss work or possibly by loss of his wife?).
Idk I’ve been fascinated by the manic pixie dynamic ever since I saw Ruby Sparks which is a neat film that critiques the trope in an interesting way. But when I read your commentary it’s also possible they have more of a classic narcissist (Favor) accidental abuse dynamic? would have to look into it myself.
anyways this is all bullshit from gifs, chatter and fic, but take this as a promise that when I finish the cudvac fic I will watch some rawhide and maybe make an actual meta post about it (or hell, take the idea and run with it, the world I’m sure can always use many Rawhide metas :D)
For someone who hasn’t seen an episode, I think you do a great analysis of the characters! I hope you do watch it someday and write more meta—and fic!
Wonderful exchange that clears things up in my mind as well. I haven’t got an ep guide with me, but would recommend the following:
Eps where they are almost equal
The Race
Incident of the Red Wind
Incident of the Widowed Dove
Incident of the Devil and his Due
Eps where Favor acts stupidly and Rowdy takes him up on it
A Man Called Mushy
(to some extent) The Lost Herd
Eps where F treats R patronisingly and thoughtlessly
Incident of the Reluctant Bridegroom
Incident of the Rawhiders (IF that is the one with the mock wedding)
There are patronising/thoughtless moments in almost all eps
However, i am still not clear, and somewhat concerned, about fitting het romance tropes to a same-sex couple. I am scared at the thought that the “pixie” character may end up feminized and sweetened. In my view, Rowdy is a tough young man, not a sassy lassie whoeventually sees the light and marries the humanised hero.The thing is, I think, the “Magical Pixie Dream-Girl” trope feminizes and sweetens the female half of a het romance to begin with, in a dehumanizing and unrealistic way. Women aren’t really like that. When people use that trope, it’s pretty much always to identify and articulate some flaws about the way a het romance was portrayed in fiction. So here we’re talking about the possibility that a fictional m/m relationship might have some common-ground with a flawed het romance.
Thanks, @stephantom, for these reflections, esp. the ones about R having some traits usually coded as “feminine”. (Does F? I can’t find any, his kindness and protectiveness are still sort of stern and in-charge).
I just thought of one more ep, where there isn’t a lot of F/R dynamics, except for one moment where R makes a successful joke at F’s expense. In “The Peddler” F and R are almost equal because they are outwitted and outclassed by a foreigner who at first looks and sounds like the Real Idiot of the Plains, but who turns out to be intelligent, wise, and a born strategist. And who cannot shoot or fight.
More eps, anyone?
@stephantom replied to your post:
omg Rowdy as “manic pixie dream girl”–I hadn’t thought of it in those terms but that is a very interesting and good way to put it
The trope fits weirdly well because the job of the manic pixie is to sweep the grim, grey leader// important man and show him what fun spontaneity and doing things right is while also taking his shit a lot of the time and just dealing with his emotional neuroses.
I feel like the emotional labour probably manifests differently in an older time period m/m dynamic but I feel like the fantasy is still kinda there…that sense of loyalty Rowdy has that you describe even though Favor treats him like shit and then Rowdy is happy with the emotional scraps Favor gives him because he’s ~tough~ and ~was hurt~ (either by tough trail boss work or possibly by loss of his wife?).
Idk I’ve been fascinated by the manic pixie dynamic ever since I saw Ruby Sparks which is a neat film that critiques the trope in an interesting way. But when I read your commentary it’s also possible they have more of a classic narcissist (Favor) accidental abuse dynamic? would have to look into it myself.
anyways this is all bullshit from gifs, chatter and fic, but take this as a promise that when I finish the cudvac fic I will watch some rawhide and maybe make an actual meta post about it (or hell, take the idea and run with it, the world I’m sure can always use many Rawhide metas :D)
For someone who hasn’t seen an episode, I think you do a great analysis of the characters! I hope you do watch it someday and write more meta—and fic!
Wonderful exchange that clears things up in my mind as well. I haven’t got an ep guide with me, but would recommend the following:
Eps where they are almost equal
The Race
Incident of the Red Wind
Incident of the Widowed Dove
Incident of the Devil and his Due
Eps where Favor acts stupidly and Rowdy takes him up on it
A Man Called Mushy
(to some extent) The Lost Herd
Eps where F treats R patronisingly and thoughtlessly
Incident of the Reluctant Bridegroom
Incident of the Rawhiders (IF that is the one with the mock wedding)
There are patronising/thoughtless moments in almost all eps
However, i am still not clear, and somewhat concerned, about fitting het romance tropes to a same-sex couple. I am scared at the thought that the “pixie” character may end up feminized and sweetened. In my view, Rowdy is a tough young man, not a sassy lassie whoeventually sees the light and marries the humanised hero.
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